Theo Fox
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Theo Fox: Three Dog Night
Summaries of the Blackhawks vs Coyotes and IceHogs vs Wolves games from Friday night.
Derek King has the Hawks on the upswing with 3 straight wins at home before embarking on a road trip to Seattle and Western Canada. |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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It appears as if properly slotting players in both ice time and positions on the ice matters.
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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For those complaining R Johnson is the lineup over Gaudette is because Reed Johnson is a 4th liner that is accustomed to playing that style/minutes
Putting Gaudette (or Strome, for the JC crowd) in that spot - while they are more skilled- is putting them in positions to fail and make the team worse
That's when you saw Strome take frustrating/lazy penalties in limited minutes out of position
R Johnson, in 7 min of play is going to fill the box score best as he knows how - 11 hits. Hustle. Dont make a mistake in your own zone
Gaudette and Strome in 7min are going to try to figure out how to get a point. That's what they know.
Properly slotting players matters. It is part of a systems success or failures
At least it's all I've ever known and I cant phantom those who still believe other wise |
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Angotti
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2019
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For those complaining R Johnson is the lineup over Gaudette is because Reed Johnson is a 4th liner that is accustomed to playing that style/minutes
Putting Gaudette (or Strome, for the JC crowd) in that spot - while they are more skilled- is putting them in positions to fail and make the team worse
That's when you saw Strome take frustrating/lazy penalties in limited minutes out of position
R Johnson, in 7 min of play is going to fill the box score best as he knows how - 11 hits. Hustle. Dont make a mistake in your own zone
Gaudette and Strome in 7min are going to try to figure out how to get a point. That's what they know.
Properly slotting players matters. It is part of a systems success or failures
At least it's all I've ever known and I cant phantom those who still believe other wise - PatShart
Oh, I agree with the bolded and have been preaching that all year, however Johnson is a liability on the ice, that’s where I disagree with you. He continuously gives up the puck at both blue lines, all he does is hit, that’s not enough to make up for his deficiencies. I did mention to bring in Gaudette for Johnson, but I didn’t say replace Jonson on the fourth line with Gaudette. Khaira was playing on the second line, is that slotted properly? Move Khaira to the fourth line and play Gaudette on the second or third line would be my proposal. |
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The problem is the Hawks have basically two 4th lines. Reese Johnson has played in 13 NHL games (117 minutes) and has zero points and is a minus 7 with 14 PIM. Yes he has 57 hits. But he is truly one dimensional.
ADB Strome/Borgstrum Kane
Johnson Toews Kubalik
Dach centers the 3rd line with two of Kurashev / Strome / Borgstrum / Gaudette
Khaira Carrpenter Hardman
(Until Hagel and Entwistle return.)
Let Dach play on a 3rd line (an energy line) with some players that have some offensive skills until he gets his confidence back and gets rolling. Strome or Borgstrum can take some facet offs if needed. (Strome is 56% at the dot. That % will probably drop. But he apparently has worked on it)
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Well at least the Hawks are not the worst team in the league. But from last night’s game you could say the margin is slim.
After Seattle the Hawks may not have a winnable game for a while.(Not underestimating the Kraken at all. But the Hawks should have a chance against them.) |
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35Tony0
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Location: Springfield, IL Joined: 05.10.2015
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Good to see the Blackhawks have won the game versus Arizona.
Now they need to be sure they have quality practices in the days before playing again on the 17th. Some of the guys returning from extended absence from the lineup get a chance to get their sea legs back.
(Will be listening to WGN broadcast of games now in lieu of ESPN television. Further, I hope ESPN gets their on air talent up to speed ASAP, for the sake of the league.) |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Khiara (like Hagel) gets that role on Toews wing because of his style of play - physical, Def responsible, forecheck/net presence
Once Hagel gets back I assume he slide back in, Khiara back down and Johnson out
King will put players in their comfortable roles and slide them I'm those spots
Now the issue with Hagel and/Khiara getting those minutes are a depth issue...but they are playing to their individual strengths- and the coach needs to put them there
Strome is a C. When you put him at 4th line W...its hurts him, the team, etc
If/when a guy like Gaudette gets in the lineup...it should be somewhere in the middle 6 and he needs to find a role/do something to contribute
I could see him waived soon |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Good to see the Blackhawks have won the game versus Arizona.
Now they need to be sure they have quality practices in the days before playing again on the 17th. Some of the guys returning from extended absence from the lineup get a chance to get their sea legs back.
(Will be listening to WGN broadcast of games now in lieu of ESPN television. Further, I hope ESPN gets their on air talent up to speed ASAP, for the sake of the league.) - 35Tony0
That announcing was rough
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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If I want to give Dach confidence, I'd move him to wing. He makes Strome look like Yanic Perrault in draws
I just dont know if hes physical enough. With Hagels injury...the time off...I'd try
Dach-Toews-Kubalik
Debrincat-Strome-Kane
Kurashev-Borgtrom-Tyler Johnson
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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It appears as if properly slotting players in both ice time and positions on the ice matters. - PatShart
Indeed, but that's totally subjective. Read any 2 pages here and you'll have 6 different line charts. The proof I guess is in the final score, the fancies and a squad's record.
Wanna share the way Dobber provides boxscores. Gives the lines, how many minutes they were together, shot share, corsi, PP/PK/evens TOI. Best one look boxscore I know of.
Scroll down a tad and under Toggle Content it gives you a tab of which team to click on. It starts with the road team. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=210
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Indeed, but that's totally subjective. Read any 2 pages here and you'll have 6 different line charts. The proof I guess is in the final score, the fancies and a squad's record.
Wanna share the way Dobber provides boxscores. Gives the lines, how many minutes they were together, shot share, corsi, PP/PK/evens TOI. Best one look boxscore I know of.
Scroll down a tad and under Toggle Content it gives you a tab of which team to click on. It starts with the road team. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=210 - Mr Ricochet
Which fancy stats gauges a players emotions? |
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StLBravesFan
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2011
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One game in the next week: good time for King / Crawford to put in some new things to particularly help the 5x5 ozone play.
Davidson said they might bring another coach in - may I suggest a shooting coach? This is closing in on pathetic - shot % = 7.3%, 3 clean breakaways with time and space last nite (plus another laying at Wedgewood’s right skate) got bupkis. 20 EV goals (one was 3x3 so 19 at 5x5) in 15 games….
Defense is much more responsible, as can be seen in the improved goalie play, so things are headed in the right direction. |
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jimnhlnut
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Location: Evanston, IL Joined: 01.17.2016
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fathom
I agree, know your role, execute your role |
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Angotti
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Location: IL Joined: 07.03.2019
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This could be a meaningless stat, but Dach is tied for fourth in the league on takeaways, so for those that think he’s not giving an effort, there’s that. Does he need to improve his offensive skills? Sure, but how about a little patience with a 20 year old kid. |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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fathom
I agree, know your role, execute your role - jimnhlnut
I saw that after i posted but felt I should own the shame versus edit |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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This could be a meaningless stat, but Dach is tied for fourth in the league on takeaways, so for those that think he’s not giving an effort, there’s that. Does he need to improve his offensive skills? Sure, but how about a little patience with a 20 year old kid. - Angotti
That's why I wouldn't mind seeing him at wing. Try to get him to shoot more as well
I'd like to see what Borgstrom can do at C for a bit |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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Which fancy stats gauges a players emotions? - PatShart
Guess you're right Pat, no way to track emotion with stats. May as well 86 the fancies. |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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This could be a meaningless stat, but Dach is tied for fourth in the league on takeaways, so for those that think he’s not giving an effort, there’s that. Does he need to improve his offensive skills? Sure, but how about a little patience with a 20 year old kid. - Angotti
Kid is up to 97 regular season games now at 20 yrs old. 15 games over a regular 82 game season.
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mohel
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Location: IL Joined: 02.08.2013
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It appears as if properly slotting players in both ice time and positions on the ice matters. - PatShart
Can't let it go, eh?
Anyway, I'll fix it for you. Are you ready?
It appears that a goalie stopping 95%+ of the shots matters. |
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LAHawk
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Joined: 11.02.2017
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I don’t remember anyone saying Dach is not giving an effort. If they still used wooden sticks, Dach is squeezing his so hard it would be sawdust. What is disappointing me the most about Dach, I do not see any elite hockey sense. He has great raw skills, but the game right now is way too fast for him. And he seems to be regressing, not progressing which to me is troubling as he has been around the club for 2 plus years. |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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Kid is up to 97 regular season games now at 20 yrs old. 15 games over a regular 82 game season. - Mr Ricochet
So what does that mean? He should have X number of goals by now or clearly be a dominant #1 center or be a Patrice Bergeron clone already?
He takes some hard knocks out there, I'd like to see him avoid some of those. Slow developing - maybe? But he is still immensely better than Strome, who was drafted in the same slot.
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35Tony0
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Location: Springfield, IL Joined: 05.10.2015
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I don’t remember anyone saying Dach is not giving an effort. If they still used wooden sticks, Dach is squeezing his so hard it would be sawdust. What is disappointing me the most about Dach, I do not see any elite hockey sense. He has great raw skills, but the game right now is way too fast for him. And he seems to be regressing, not progressing which to me is troubling as he has been around the club for 2 plus years. - LAHawk
I do see elite hockey sense with Dach. One aspect is his physicality, he is anything but overmatched at 20 years old in the physical game. Another is he flashes the ability to make great passes in tight areas (this is also a weakness right now in that he tries too much to make these passes). And he is very aware and able and actually does get back and defend.
I hope he starts making some hay by netting a bunch of greasy area goals. |
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RickJ
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Location: Burlington, ON Joined: 01.12.2010
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I don’t remember anyone saying Dach is not giving an effort. If they still used wooden sticks, Dach is squeezing his so hard it would be sawdust. What is disappointing me the most about Dach, I do not see any elite hockey sense. He has great raw skills, but the game right now is way too fast for him. And he seems to be regressing, not progressing which to me is troubling as he has been around the club for 2 plus years. - LAHawk
As you have probably read, there are those that believe the AHL is a garbage league that does nothing to develop players and the overall speed of the game is well below NHL level.
So Dach is struggling a bit in the best league in the world as a 20 year old, playing on a team with big time talent limitations.
So will ask you this - how are Alex Turcotte, Cole Perfetti, Peyton Krebs, Barrett Hayton and Alex Newhook doing so far at about the same age as Dach?
Rush 'em to ruin 'em has happened many times in the NHL. Lets hope it doesn't apply with Dach.
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LAHawk
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Joined: 11.02.2017
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I do see elite hockey sense with Dach. One aspect is his physicality, he is anything but overmatched at 20 years old in the physical game. Another is he flashes the ability to make great passes in tight areas (this is also a weakness right now in that he tries too much to make these passes). And he is very aware and able and actually does get back and defend.
I hope he starts making some hay by netting a bunch of greasy area goals. - 35Tony0
I respectively disagree. I am not saying he will not ever be a very good player, but right now IMO he is a very lost puppy. Hopefully he becomes a building block to the rebuild, but right now he is trending in the wrong direction.
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